| Almost Forgotten |
Yo I feel for my hispanic brothers out there, man. It saddens me to see the nationalistic approach so many people are taking these days. I'm from the south so some of my white friends are real conservative, and they don't understand why anyone would be mad about this law. I guess it's hard to care about a problem when it doesn't affect you. Laws like this seem like misguided efforts out of frustration. The immigration system is broken and the national government has failed to fix it. Democrats and Republicans are too busy vying for political positioning that they're letting important issues like this flounder. We need to pass some comprehensive immigration reform and it needs to be done asap. |
| Posted on May 13, 2010 |
| nick13g |
It saddens me to see this "highly advanced country" come to such stupidity. The country based on a new beginnings, only to the contrary and not let people start a life where they can provide for their families. That is one of the main reasons the people i know come to the U.S for. Not for anything more than a job to work their asses off and support their families in their native latin countries. Its pure ignorance to believe that stereotyping nor racial profiling will take effect in looking for "non-americans". I'd also like to state it's not just "MEXICANS" that come illegally. Saying just mexicans when talking about latinos is a ridiculous remark because their are plenty of other LATINOS/Hispanics that come through the Mexico/Arizona/Texas/California/New Mexico border. Regardless of who or where these illegal immigrants come from to pinpoint every non-american is or should be considered POLITICALLY and Socially unacceptable. I'd like to thank Nathan for taking the time out to post this very much ignored topic. As for Almost F. i couldn't agree with you more "Laws like this seem like misguided efforts out of frustration". |
| Posted on May 13, 2010 |
| Nathan S. |
Appreciate the support guys. If we don't talk about these things we'll never get to live in the country we dream about. |
| Posted on May 13, 2010 |
| madlib |
Honestly, bro, I don't mean to politically capitalize on your concern for this event, but I'd recommend a radical source that is actually in the thick of it down in Arizona (and without any of that wingnutty stuff or manipulative reformist crap that is prevalent around the Left and Right-wing): No state has the right to control movement of free people |
| Posted on May 14, 2010 |
| 1stround-ko |
America needs to go through some kind of radical change. I'm an American living in Japan (9 years a resident) and whenever I go visit America it feels angry. Like everyone is looking at each other wondering if they are looking at a tree-hugging liberal or a racist Republican. When I look at the whole Health Care thing, I see people with health care that DON'T WANT ANYONE ELSE to have health care. That is mad. Insane. Arizona? Man... that is messed up. How are they going to say that they WON'T be racial profiling? They are looking for illegals... of course they are going to racial profile. |
| Posted on May 14, 2010 |
| Mr. Top Hat |
"I guess it's hard to care about a problem when it doesn't affect you." <- Preach! The first step in solving a problem is to admit that there is a problem. Our generation is dealing with those figures from a couple decades ago whose messages don’t always hold fast over the years. And there’s not enough recognition of those who are willing to step up to the plate. Excellent dialogue on this topic… the M-F grind doesn’t allow me to pitch in the way I’d like, but it doesn’t mean I can’t give props. Keep up the good work RefinedHypesters. |
| Posted on May 14, 2010 |
| Almost Forgotten |
Hey we got props from Mr. Top Hat! (who, in my mind, brings the most insightful commentary on this site on a consistent basis.) Appreciate it fam! @madlib Yeah, right, like people are going to take an anarchist approach to anything. Look, I think we should be open to opinions but let's at least try to keep them in the realistic realm, yes? On a related issue, the DREAM Act needs to pass soon too. One of my boys actually doesnt have a social security number. To talk to him, you'd never think he's any different than any other brother, but he was smuggled here at 3 years old from the Dominican Republic. The way the immigration laws are, children are punished for their parents smuggling them in, and theres no way for him to get legit work without a 10 year ban. It's messed up. He's been here his whole life. What makes me a better American just because I happened to be born here? Plus he's black and he speaks Spanish! It trips me out. lol |
| Posted on May 14, 2010 |
| d-mac |
This is a sad day in America. This law is terrible and Arizona should be ashamed of themselves. |
| Posted on May 14, 2010 |
| madlib |
@Almost Forgotten — Anarchists have been right there in nearly every moment of contention between the state and the working class of the past hundred and fifty years. We have established — for real, without any exaggeration in my words — one of the most influential and expansive pro-revolutionary projects in history. From the general class struggles in the 19th century, to the insurrections in Russia and Germany, to the Spanish Revolution, to the Parisian general strike in '68... onwards to today — right now — in Arizona, the insurrections in Greece, expropriations of foreclosed homes, organizing against landlords — I could go on and on, and crush your pretentiousness, but I don't want to hurt your feelings, dude! I suppose I can get past your condescension and ignorance; it doesn't surprise me. But needless to say, you are not talking to some Hot Topic wearing, crazy haired neo-punker. You feel me? For every kneejerk political strategy of "realism" and "pragmatism" there's one more violent offense to the dispossessed (namely what that essay is attempting to highlight: That reform will not give safe passage to people, it will not constitute an elimination of the militarized force against migration. Instead, there will be some bargain deal that will harm many in the interest of others). What's even the point of sitting there complaining about the tragedy of specific laws — like any cookie cutter, runny nosed liberal — when you'll just stick your snout up at some real people who have an interest in articulating an intelligent practice -against- the repression of human migration? Am I presuming too much? So sit there, hot shot, and preach about how I'm not realistic because you dreamt up some lame ass, farcical idea of what an anarchist is and decided that would be enough to substantiate your flaccid argument. Shit... at least anarchists got past being docile reactionaries and realpolitiking damn near two hundred years ago, bro. ~The End~ https://refinedhype.com/images/smileys/raspberry.gif |
| Posted on May 15, 2010 |
| Almost Forgotten |
@madlib Look man, I took no shots at you and I ask that you please show me the same respect. I had no preconceived notions about you and said NOTHING about the validity of your views, yet you seem to be content in doing exactly that towards me. Just for clarification, what I was saying in regard to the link you posted is that an open border will never happen, especially in this political atmosphere of growing hard line conservatism and movements like the Tea Party gaining in popularity, so in my opinion it does no good. No matter how much you might not like it, there's really only two options here: stand back and let laws like SB 1070 take hold across the country, or reform the system. That's just the way it is. You're very passionate in your views and I respect that, but the childish remarks were unnecessary and not a good look. This isn't about the merits of free human migration, this isn't about anarchists, this isn't about me, and this isn't about you. This is about why Arizona chose to enact a law like SB 1070 and the need to fix a broken system. |
| Posted on May 15, 2010 |
| TheBayToLA |
The fact that you people are arguing is the same reason we will never have true peace and cooperation. Humans are flawed, and so shall be everything they create. People are unable to understand each others' points of view, or simply don't care due to the basic laws of self-preservation, and that goes for both ignorant Americans and ignorant immigrants. Both are right in some ways, and both are wrong in some ways, but if we can't acknowledge this and come to a compromise, there will only be peace when we are all gone. |
| Posted on May 16, 2010 |
| Almost Forgotten |
@TheBayToLA I couldn't agree more. |
| Posted on May 16, 2010 |
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